A while back, Mark McGrath and Brian (Ponch) Rivera interviewed me as part of their No Way Out series.

No Way Out with Chet Richards on Apple Podcasts

No Way Out with Chet Richards on SPOTIFY

I had a lot of fun with this, and I hope you enjoy it, too.

As a reminder (for those of you who haven’t had the experience of doing one of these), this video is uncensored, unexpurgated, and most important, unedited. So if you see me making obvious mistakes, or saying something more than usually ludicrous, it’s a deep fake. I swear!

Ponch, incidentally, is co-author of The Flow System, which has a nice section on Boyd’s OODA loop, tying it into the Cynefin framework.